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| Really? I was hoping this series ending will be more sensible. It was so anticlimactic -_- I'm so sadness T^T Well whatever, they messed up and we watched them :ı |
| At least the ending was miles better than Kado's. Not a masterpiece, but I throughly enjoyed it. |
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| Quick question, after the endibg we see Magase with a kid, is that Seizaki's kid(100% confirmed)? |
| the ending left me with the feeling"Why am I wasting my time for this ?" |
| I saw many people mentioned Kado then I found out the original creator was also Kado's creator. Omnipotent enemy, talking about what's right and wrong, and strong start but bad ending. This show is similiar to Kado. I was really excited for this anime. I thought this was the second Monster but it turned out to be worse and worse after the president story began. . . . The main story is basically to differentiate what's good or evil. Seizaki killing the president was seen as good thing among those who knew about president's condition but of course that's evil thing from the people outside's perspective. Killing the president to prevent the law was bad choice. Magase will eventually succeed in making the law established either way. But by killing the president, Seizaki basically 'suicide' because it means capital punishment which is ironic. In the last moment I assumed he was shot by someone. Like Kado, this anime heavily shows Christian's philosophy on life. Suicide is not a sin in Christian but it is sin in Buddhist which is dominant religion in Japan. I guess the author and Shiniki's religion is Christian? |
| Most people already discussed what I wanted to say anyways soo... Me during the last 5 minutes: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Great Anime apart from episode 11. And people who don't know why he shot the president were you even watching lol. |
| there are lots of unanswered question... hope they make season 2. |
“You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin” . |
Ryuseishun said: Sorta long ramble here, cause I can’t keep the bottle cap on anymore. That was perhaps one of the worst fucking conclusions to a mystery / psychological series that I’ve ever seen in my entire life. What was accomplished? Nothing. What was taught here? Nothing. What was the ultimate point of all that meandering? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Magase’s Quirk....I mean, Esper ability.....I mean, Gifted abil—.....ahhh fuck it, i dunno what to describe. That shit never had any sort of set-in-stone explanation. She’s perhaps one of the worst excuses of a villain I’ve ever witnessed. Whatever bit of backstory tossed in for her is silly and bareboned. She’s not sophisticated, she acts so, but there’s no true deeper intent, just a redundant af ideal about what’s good and evil. She wins in the end and is now probably gonna prey on the mc’s son now, but what was the point? It was so anticlimactic and inconclusive, considering how the series kinda lost its spirit by episode 7. Any visual cues this show are mostly too hollow without much foundation to really have much deeper theme, context, or meaning. Tbh, episode 3 was the point where I should’ve noticed the red flag, due to how the course of the story suddenly changes to chasing some crazy bitch with supernatural psychic powers to “talk” people into suicide. Zen himself was as underwhelming as everyone else in the cast. One can argue about fitting oneself into the characters’ shoes and parallelism or realism, but seriously.......does realism alone always constitute good storywriting? No, ofc not. The one good thing I can take away from the show: the soundtracks, cause they help with adding to the tension (or at least attempts at tension). If this was how the original source material went, this series was already full of problems to begin with, regardless of bad pacing or not (only 3 LN vol, 2 manga vol). And people compare this to Psycho Pass s1 or even say it’s better than latter...I can’t really comprehend that, tbh, cause Psycho Pass had a sci-fi dystopia setting whereas Babylon does not unless one wants to consider Magase’s “Quirk”. Magase as a character would’ve been more befitting in a more supernatural setting. I don’t even want to talk in detail about the redundancy about the numerous discussions about this “good Vs evil” subject. The conversation went from thought-provoking to childish real quick. Was this just more of a leeway for Magase to have her way that easily because a bunch of god damn politicians can’t come to a straightforward and obvious conclusion that was right there in front of them the whole time? I guess so. With all that being said, the foundations for this show were too weak to begin with. It’s like trying to drive a big luxury cruiser without any propellers or engine. It felt like a show where the brainstorming just stopped halfway. You pretty much summed up everything I wanted to say. Yes, this is a mystery but that doesn't mean the show should be incredibly ambiguous and leave a lot of loose strings untied. I can live with the fact that Magase won but what happened to Seizaki? The suicide law? Everything and everyone else? I'm going to be a child pounding my fists on the table and just say, I'm bitter as fuck that Magase didn't suffer even the slightest in this series. Everyone around her did but she didn't. People are saying she's the best villain ever and I think she's just a fucking troll. Most people praising her wouldn't be doing so if she wasn't an attractive woman. Go ahead and beg to differ but we all know those people are lying. |
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Bibimbapski said: Ryuseishun said: Sorta long ramble here, cause I can’t keep the bottle cap on anymore. That was perhaps one of the worst fucking conclusions to a mystery / psychological series that I’ve ever seen in my entire life. What was accomplished? Nothing. What was taught here? Nothing. What was the ultimate point of all that meandering? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Magase’s Quirk....I mean, Esper ability.....I mean, Gifted abil—.....ahhh fuck it, i dunno what to describe. That shit never had any sort of set-in-stone explanation. She’s perhaps one of the worst excuses of a villain I’ve ever witnessed. Whatever bit of backstory tossed in for her is silly and bareboned. She’s not sophisticated, she acts so, but there’s no true deeper intent, just a redundant af ideal about what’s good and evil. She wins in the end and is now probably gonna prey on the mc’s son now, but what was the point? It was so anticlimactic and inconclusive, considering how the series kinda lost its spirit by episode 7. Any visual cues this show are mostly too hollow without much foundation to really have much deeper theme, context, or meaning. Tbh, episode 3 was the point where I should’ve noticed the red flag, due to how the course of the story suddenly changes to chasing some crazy bitch with supernatural psychic powers to “talk” people into suicide. Zen himself was as underwhelming as everyone else in the cast. One can argue about fitting oneself into the characters’ shoes and parallelism or realism, but seriously.......does realism alone always constitute good storywriting? No, ofc not. The one good thing I can take away from the show: the soundtracks, cause they help with adding to the tension (or at least attempts at tension). If this was how the original source material went, this series was already full of problems to begin with, regardless of bad pacing or not (only 3 LN vol, 2 manga vol). And people compare this to Psycho Pass s1 or even say it’s better than latter...I can’t really comprehend that, tbh, cause Psycho Pass had a sci-fi dystopia setting whereas Babylon does not unless one wants to consider Magase’s “Quirk”. Magase as a character would’ve been more befitting in a more supernatural setting. I don’t even want to talk in detail about the redundancy about the numerous discussions about this “good Vs evil” subject. The conversation went from thought-provoking to childish real quick. Was this just more of a leeway for Magase to have her way that easily because a bunch of god damn politicians can’t come to a straightforward and obvious conclusion that was right there in front of them the whole time? I guess so. With all that being said, the foundations for this show were too weak to begin with. It’s like trying to drive a big luxury cruiser without any propellers or engine. It felt like a show where the brainstorming just stopped halfway. You pretty much summed up everything I wanted to say. Yes, this is a mystery but that doesn't mean the show should be incredibly ambiguous and leave a lot of loose strings untied. I can live with the fact that Magase won but what happened to Seizaki? The suicide law? Everything and everyone else? I'm going to be a child pounding my fists on the table and just say, I'm bitter as fuck that Magase didn't suffer even the slightest in this series. Everyone around her did but she didn't. People are saying she's the best villain ever and I think she's just a fucking troll. Most people praising her wouldn't be doing so if she wasn't an attractive woman. Go ahead and beg to differ but we all know those people are lying. Yea, lots of things unanswered, misdirections everywhere. I could go on, but my previous comment pretty much did the job already, so I won't be redundant here xD Yea, anyone saying Magase is a great villain probably has an extremely bad interpretation of what truly constitutes a well-written antagonist in general. |
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| Such a time wasting anime. |
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| This had the potential to be a masterpiece if it was better written. Such a shame. |
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| Okay, what the actual fudge? So many bits to gripe on, honestly. An elite player being the US President itself was ridiculous but I can take that with a little laugh. However, this goes more than just that. Downright ridiculous seeing how the G-7 leaders were playing "right and wrong" there out of nowhere last episode. I'm afraid that goes even beyond the realms of acceptable fiction for me, I'm sorry. Seriously, I might've just scratched a fair amount of my hair trying to comprehend and come to terms with this finale but I just can't... I'll start off with positives exclusively of this episode. Zen and the President coming to an understanding and effectively nullifying Magase's plan was an interesting course of development, I've to say. As the @TheCodiakBear rightly highlighted, there aren't many shows that go through with such an intriguing counter route after all. Another matter would be the answer to the "good vs. evil" trivia which I honestly don't think I've a full grip on just yet but it's certainly something to ponder upon, I reckon. Sadly, I can't muster up the interesting or the willingness to go for it and let's dive more into that now... First and foremost, it's no understatement to say that the US President was a main character for this second half. Naturally, that means we spend a lot of time seeing him in action (screen time-wise) and there's always something about him standing out, and that's his calculative and somewhat cautious approach to matters at hand. Now, please enlighten me as to how this very person deemed it "safe" to connect with the female, supposedly Ai Magase at the time, when they were uncertain of Magase's quirk-like abilities in the first place. Leaving aside the mundane matter of why even bother, of course and I'll certainly get more on to this in due time. Surely, one even with average IQ could infer that this would be playing right into the hands of the criminals, no? Baffling, just baffling. Now, on to the yet-another-bewildering part of the US President's intervention. Are you seriously expecting me to believe that a single Mayor in Japan who's supposedly beyond the Japanese Prime Minister's reach himself for unclear reasons with a single hostage managed to force the US President's hand to take such an action? I'm aware of what was at that stake then but literally playing along and throwing caution to the wind like that was incredible in other ways for sure. So what exactly is Itsuki Kaika's plan and relationship with Ai Magase anyway? How'd this little stint end up influencing the world in relation to the Suicide Law? But wait, what is Ai Magase's ability as to rile up the international community to this extent and ffs even beat them black and blue? Whore of Babylon? I don't know if I managed to impressively miss out on numerous little subtle details somehow but there has definitely got to be some issues with the presentation/script-writing or whatevs here for certain. From what I could gather, I agree with the theory that Ai Magase is off to chasing Seizaki's family in revenge and Seizaki getting shot from a third-party too. Now, these are things that are "okay" leaving open. Seizaki probably didn't go for the shot either, as testament to his ideals (the President understandably an extreme case). Overall, this second half was simply a bloody mess through and through. What seemed like a very unique and appreciable theme at first just ended up being far too convoluted and unrealistic, disappointingly. Credit though as the cinematography was on point to the very end, that little stare-off after the tense entry and "bang..." from Ai Magase was quite nerve-chilling actually. Ai Magase has been quite the stunning villain to have as well (courtesy to the amazing performance from the VA too, easily my favourite performance of the year in fact) but a few dots and blanks makes it a little hard to really have a feel for her, I guess. Can't quite get the right words at the moment. Loved the ED and Op themes of the show too and kudos to Yutaka Yamada for his amazing work! God, that Magase theme is on par with Licht und Schatten for me and that's saying a lot, trust me. I'd like to end off with a bit more of a personal experience judgement kind of thing, if that even makes sense. An after-thought of the ride, if you will. Throughout episodes 1-6, I was honestly hooked. Seeing how the buildup plus some of the features I highlighted abovee in full force was handled was charming and indeed very alluring, if I do say so myself. But then came episode 7. Don't get me wrong, it was like the icing on the cake so definitely great undoubtedly but it brought a little worry alongside. And that was something along these lines of "will it all be justifiable from my point of view at the end of the ride?". Basically, whether it'd end up to be a possible ascendance from thereupon as I come to comprehend the motives and whatnot or a big mess beyond my reach. And seeing the response, I was certain which side majority belonged to but that's not enough to turn me away, I'm afraid. Little did I know that it'd end up to this extent for my case though... With all things in mind, I have to give this a 5/10. Initially, I was considering a generous 6 but there's just one too many drawbacks for that, I'm afraid. Going the worldwide route was always going to be asking for trouble, and that's exactly what happened here. I've seen many people compare this to Sekaisuru Kado for obvious reasons (the creator being the prime, from what I could gather) and it totally feels like deja vu in a way, xD. Y'know, I value the experience a lot so it's not often that I would end up giving a harsh rating simply for the ending alone (Sekaisuru Kado being a great example of that) but this really ended up giving a bitter taste with ample lost potential and etc. so a real pity from my side. Maybe I'll bump it to a very generous 6/10 later this morning but who knows. |
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| Gibberish. Absolute nonsense, a truly garbage show. Might actually be the worst anime I ever actually watched all the way through. An astounding achievement there, I have to applaud Babylon for being the absolute worst thing ever for me. Congrats, you are number 1 at something. At boring me, disgusting me and pissing me off. 1/10, wish I could give it a lower score. |
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TGAvi said: gswelcome said: Gibberish. Absolute nonsense, a truly garbage show. Might actually be the worst anime I ever actually watched all the way through. An astounding achievement there, I have to applaud Babylon for being the absolute worst thing ever for me. Congrats, you are number 1 at something. At boring me, disgusting me and pissing me off. 1/10, wish I could give it a lower score. Don't be stubid First half episodes 1-8 still good and enjoyable Ending don't change this They weren't enjoyable at all for me, the anime was incoherent from start to finish, just devolved even more into gibberish in the second half. Characters were one dimensional with nothing to make me care about their welfare. Full of legal and philosophical nonsense instead of plot. Even Magase Ai didn't have a personality, a grinning psychopath is not enough. Got to disagree even further on the ending, if a show doesn't stick the landing it simply isn't as good no matter how great the rest of it was. Of course for me Babylon was never great in the first place. |
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| This show was sometimes ridiculous, sometimes edgy, but still entertaining enough. It could've been something more with such good premise, but at least it tried. Oh, and people who whining about "why there is no explanation to Magise's power?!!' can go eat shit. Seriously, spoon feeding is worst thing ever. |
| why they rush it... |
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| Ah yes... this thread is filled with the classic "you didn't like the show because you didn't understand it 2deep4u" logic. Got anything else? What a waste of time. One of the most frustrating experiences I've ever had with anime. The premise was already flawed to begin with but I was willing to overlook that much despite my grievances of how it oversimplifies things not until it got to the point where the plot twists are just becoming beyond stupid. Episode 7 especially was a horrible one. Irrelevant and dumbed down characters. Throwing around a bunch of concepts/ideas/topics or whatever without doing anything with it or doing the bare minimum scratching the surface. Loose ends. Bad villain. Yay for open endings. A convenient excuse for the author to keep the audience talking about it. 1/10 because I'm currently pissed. Might increase it later or someday if I'm feeling generous enough. |
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| I have dropped after watching episode 07 but I decided to just give a look episode 12 and... thank goodness I have dropped this earlier. Pretty ridiculous. Amazing how this even has a mean score above 7.0 That is why mean score isn't trustful when deciding whether or not watching an anime. Easy 1/10 |
Vi-Feb 15, 2020 8:17 PM
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| Why do people take the time to watch shows that they obviously don't like/understand only to give them 1/10. makes no sense to me. I usually research an anime enough to know if it's something I am going to enjoy before watching it, or I drop it pretty quick if doesn't meet my expectations. |
Damn, very well said! I couldn't have said any better. This series and Pet are the polar opposites for me. The former had a captivating start but ended up so abruptly as opposed to the latter which started out kinda bland but turns out great so far. Bibimbapski said: This! I admit that I was first captivated by the series because of how stunning Magase is, aside from psychological/mystery being my favorite genres.I'm going to be a child pounding my fists on the table and just say, I'm bitter as fuck that Magase didn't suffer even the slightest in this series. Everyone around her did but she didn't. People are saying she's the best villain ever and I think she's just a fucking troll. Most people praising her wouldn't be doing so if she wasn't an attractive woman. Go ahead and beg to differ but we all know those people are lying. |
electromagnetoFeb 19, 2020 5:52 AM
I just realized that all of my favorite characters, beside being stunningly beautiful, also happen to be exceptionally skilled murder machines. \('-')/ I'm level  on mal-badges. View my badges. |
| I usually love adaptation of novels, but to be honest, it was one of the most weird experiences in my life. Of course, I felt that it would be strange when orgasm was shown as a shot in the head, but I really did not expect the show to end with the protagonist killing the American president. This is madness. 6 or 7 from 10, I don't know. |
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| Umm what did I just watch? So I assume that Zen killed the president so he wouldn't commit suicide because if he did that would have sent the wrong signal to the whole nation and also to the girl that wanted to kill herself. He basically sacrificed the president in order to protect the rest of the world kinda? The ending is a mess tho...did zen really die? Why and how did he? Did he shoot himself because of Magases influence? Magase was an interesting villain but interesteing isn't enough when nothing really makes sense in the grand scheme of things. I feel like the show just fell apart after the halfway point... |
good - is to continue; bad - is to end. Finally, years of depression and suicidal thoughts profited by predicting this conclusion! xD It the same when I learned that my way of thinking already exist as nihilism and determinism. :P But honestly they should get extra 5 minutes to explain plot lines, like black guy is fully aware that Zen is "innocent" so they probably explained truth to his wife, Did people learned definition of Good and Evil?, etc. About Magase, She couldn't die (should but couldn't) because if there is good there must be also evil. |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.114/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.208/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.123/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.23/? - biweekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.87/? - biweekly) - Monochrome Days (Ch.17/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
Genres: Mystery, Psychological, Thriller Should've tag supernatural instead of psychological because you know, one involves science and the other doesn't. good - is to continue; bad - is to end. It took this anime 12 episodes to come up with this philosophical statement as if it's controversial but it is currently a popular opinion/morality in our society. |
| Truth is absolute but human perception of truth is always relative. |
In the eye of the storm:
Truths:
What was that end?
Was it worth it? Well. Depends on a person. It was not boring and generic at least. Big kudos I was able to follow and comprehend the story contrary to Big Order, Taboo Tatoo and Index the 3rd. And if you did not see those three you've never tasted real defeat. |
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